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 Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 1:28 pm Post subject: Possibility of Michael the Arch Angel and Jesus (Yeshua) Bei |
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Possibility of Michael the Arch Angel and Jesus (Yeshua) Being the Same:
INTRODUCTION:
Many claim the Michael the Arch Angel whose name means in Hebrew, 'Who is Like God,' is the same spirit being as the spirit being known as the Word or Logos that we know as the human being Jesus (Yeshua) Christ whose name in Hebrew means 'God is Salvation." Is there any indication that this is a valid possibility?
Well the Bible no where states that they are one and the same, but the circumstantial indicators in the Bible definitely indicate this as a possibility. Also, there is no definitive circumstantial indicators that rule this possibility out. Let's examine the evidence and then all can make up their own mind on the matter.
MICHAEL IS THE ONLY ARCH ANGEL MENTIONED IN THE BIBLE:
Michael is the only angel ever referred to as an arch angel in the Bible as shown at Jude 9, when he contended with God's (YHWH's) arch enemy Satan over the body of Moses, "But the archangel Michael himself, when he disputed and argued with the devil about Moses' body, did not dare to bring against him a charge of blasphemy, but merely said, 'May the Lord rebuke you!'" (The New Testament by Charles B. Williams). This scripture harkens back to Daniel 10:21, "But I will tell you what is inscribed in the book of truth: there is none who contends by my side against these except Michael, your prince." (Revised Standard Version; RSV); And at Daniel 12:1, "At that time Michael, the mighty angelic prince who stands guard over your nation, will stand up [and fight for you in heaven against satanic forces], and there will be a time of anguish for the Jews greater than any previous suffering in Jewish history. And yet every one of your people whose names are written in the Book will endure it." (The Living Bible-paraphrased); And at Daniel 10:13, "But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, ofe of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the Kings of Persia." (Authorized King James Bible; AV); And at Zechariah 3:1-2, "Then he showed me Joshua the high priest standing before the Angel of the Lord, and Satan standing at his right hand to oppose him. 2 And the Lord said to Satan, 'The Lord rebuke you, Satan! The Lord who has chosen Jerusalem rebuke you! Is this not a brand plucked from the fire?'" (the New King James Bible; NKJB).
Now if we look at this same scripture in the American Standard Version, who all the individuals participating in this exchange is made even clearer, "And he showed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of Jehovah, and Satan standing at his right hand to be his 2 And Jehovah said unto Satan, Jehovah rebuke thee, O Satan; yea, Jehovah that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire?" (Zechariah 3:2 in the American Standard Version; ASV). This scripture is quite interesting in that it speaks of the "angel of Jehovah" in the singular and not the plural; hence, showing that he was special or different from other angels; whereas angels are usually spoken about in the plural such as at 2 Peter 2:11, "They flout authority; reckless and headstrong, they are not afraid to insult celestial beings, whereas angels, for all their superior strength and might, employ no insults in seeking judgement against them before the Lord." (the New English Bible; NEB).
The first time, the angel of the Lord, is mentioned is at Daniel the tenth chapter quoted previously (Daniel 10:13). Now if we look at Daniel 10:20-21, we see, "Then said he, Knowest thou for what cause I come to thee? and now will I return to fight with the prince of Persia: and when I am gone forth, lo, the prince of Grecia shall come. 21 But I will show thee that which is noted in the scripture of truth: and there is none that holdeth with me in these things, but Michael your prince." (WB). This lends support to the possibility that Michael may have been the angel (singular) that led the Israelites through the wilderness as recorede at Exodus 23:20-23, "Behold, I send an angel before thee, to keep thee by the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared. 21 Take ye heed before him, and hearken unto his voice; provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgression: for my name is in him. 22 But if thou shalt indeed hearken unto his voice, and do all that I speak; then I will be an enemy unto thine enemies, and an adversary unto thine adversaries." (ASV). Here we note that God (YHWH) said, "Take ye heed before him, and hearken unto his voice; provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgression: for my name is in him.", With it to be noted that his name is in him, and truly it is in the name of Michael, as in Hebrew as previously stated, this name means 'Who Is Like God.'
This is also noted at Exodus 32:34, "And now go, lead the people unto `the place' of which I have spoken unto thee: behold, mine angel shall go before thee; nevertheless in the day when I visit, I will visit their sin upon them." (ASV), and note once more, "mine angel" is singular so it must refer to a special one-of-a-kind angel since God (YHWH) has many angels. This is also reaffirmed at Exodus 33:2, "and I will send an angel before thee; and I will drive out the Canaanite, the Amorite, and the Hittite, and the Perizzite, the Hivite, and the Jebusite:" (ASV).
Thus scriptural e
vidence indicates that the name Michael could possibly be applied to God's (YHWH's) Son before he left heaven to become Jesus (Yeshua) Christ; what an intriguing possibility. Michael is the only one said to be 'the archangel' which means 'chief angel' or principal angel." As previously noted the term 'archangel' and 'angel of the Lord' only occur in singular and not plural form in the Bible. This tends to indicate and/or imply that there is but one such angel whom God (YHWH) has designated chief, or head, of the angelic host. This is reinforced at 1 Thessalonians 4:15-16, "For this we tell you as the Lord's word: we who are left alive until the Lord comes shall not forestall those who have died; because at the word of command, the sound of the archangel's voice and God's trumpet-call, the Lord himself will descend from heaven;" (NEB). Here we see that Jesus (Yeshua) Christ will descend from heaven with a voice of an archangel, suggesting that he is, in fact, himself the archangel.
This indication is made even clearer when we visit this same scripture in the American Standard Version, "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven, with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first;" (1 Thessalonians 4:16, ASV). Clearly this scripture depicts him as descending from heaven, as previously mentioned, with a 'commanding call', that of an archangel.
Now is only logical that the voice expressing this commanding call of an archangel would be a spirit being having great authority. If it were not Jesus (Yeshua) Christ himself, then it would only dtractt from his authority that he now has as King of kings and Lord of lords per Matthew 28:18, "And Jesus came to them and spake unto them, saying, All authority hath been given unto me in heaven and on earth." (ASV); And at Revelation 17:14, "These shall war against the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them, for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings; and they `also shall overcome' that are with him, called and chosen and faithful." Therefore if the designation 'archangel' applied to some other and not to Jesus (Yeshua) Christ, but to other angels, the reference to an 'archangel's' voice would by kind of out of place since it would be describing a voice of someone with lesser authority.
Now when we read 1 Corinthians 15:22-28, ""For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. 27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. 28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all." (AV), testifies that God (YHWH) had given his Son, Jesus (Yeshua) over all except himself when the scripture says "it is manifest that he is excepted." Clearly also showing they were distinct individuals and that the Father (YHWH) was the superior one; hence they were not CO-EQUAL.
OTHER EVIDENCE THAT INDICATE MICHAEL COULD BE JESUS (YESHUA) CHRIST:
There are other indicators, also, in the Bible strongly indicating that Michael the Archangel and Jesus (Yeshua) Christ may be one and the same spirit being. Daniel, after making the first reference to Michael, recorded a prophecy reaching down to the end times at Daniel 11:40, "And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over." (WB). And then stated at Daniel 12:1, "And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince who standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book." (WB) Thus Michaels 'standing up' was to be connected with a "time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time:".
In the prophecy of Daniel, 'standing up' frequently refers to the actions of a king, either one assuming his royal power or taking effective action in the capacity of a king as borne out at Daniel 11:1-7, "And now will I show thee the truth. Behold, there shall stand up yet three kings in Persia; and the fourth shall be far richer than they all: and by his strength through his riches he shall stir up all against the realm of Grecia. 3 And a mighty king shall stand up, that shall rule with great dominion, and do according to his will. 4 And when he shall stand up, his kingdom shall be broken, and shall be divided towards the four winds of heaven; and not to his posterity, nor according to his dominion which he ruled: for his kingdom shall be plucked up, even for others beside those. 5 And the king of the south shall be strong, and one of his princes; and he shall be strong above him, and have dominion; his dominion shall be a great dominion. 6 And in the end of years they shall join themselves together; for the king's daughter of the south shall come to the king of the north to make an agreement: but she shall not retain the power of the arm; neither shall he stand, nor his arm: but she shall be given up, and they that brought her, and he that begat her, and he that strengthened her in these times. 7 But out of a branch of her roots shall one stand up in his estate, who shall come with an army, and shall enter into the fortress of the king of the north, and shall deal against them, and shall prevail:" (WB); And at Daniel 11:16-21, "But he that cometh against him shall do according to his own will, and none shall stand before him: and he shall stand in the glorious land, which by his hand shall be consumed. 17 He shall also set his face to enter with the strength of his whole kingdom, and upright ones with him; thus shall he do: and he shall give him the daughter of women, corrupting her: but she shall not stand on his side, neither be for him. 18 After this shall he turn his face to the isles, and shall take many: but a prince for his own behalf shall cause the reproach offered by him to cease; without his own reproach he shall cause it to turn upon him. 19 Then he shall turn his face towards the fort of his own land: but he shall stumble and fall, and not be found. 20 Then shall stand up in his estate a raiser of taxes in the glory of the kingdom: but within few days he shall be destroyed, neither in anger, nor in battle. 21 And in his estate shall stand up a vile person, to whom they shall not give the honor of the kingdom: but he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries." (WB).
This indicates support for the conclusion that Michael is Jesus (Yeshua) Christ, since Jesus is God's (YHWH's) appointed King, commissioned to destroy all the nations ar Armageddon per Revelation 11:15, "And the seventh angel sounded; and there followed great voices in heaven, and they said, The kingdom of the world is become `the kingdom' of our Lord, and of his Christ: and he shall reign for ever and ever." (ASV); And at Revelation 16:14-16, "for they are spirits of demons, working signs; which go forth unto the kings of the whole world, to gather them together unto the war of the great day of God, the Almighty. 15 (Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walked naked, and they see his shame.) 16 And they gathered them together into the place which is called in Hebrew Har-magedon." (ASV).
In fact the book of Revelations specifically mentions Michael with respect the establishment of God's (YHWH's) kingdom and links this event with terrible trouble for the earth at Revelation 12:7-12, "And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels `going forth' to war with the dragon; and the dragon warred and his angels; 8 And they prevailed not, neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was cast down, the old serpent, he that is called the Devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world; he was cast down to the earth, and his angels were cast down with him. 10 And I heard a great voice in heaven, saying, Now is come the salvation, and the power, and the kingdom of our God, and the authority of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, who accuseth them before our God day and night. 11 And they overcame him because of the blood of the Lamb, and because of the word of their testimony; and they loved not their life even unto death. 12 Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe for the earth and for the sea: because the devil is gone down unto you, having great wrath, knowing that he hath but a short time." (ASV).
Jesus (Yeshua) Christ is later symbolically shown as leading the heavenly armies in war against the nations of the earth at Revelation 19:11-16, "And I saw the heaven opened; and behold, a white horse, and he that sat thereon called Faithful and True; and in righteous he doth judge and make war. 12 And his eyes `are' a flame of fire, and upon his head `are' many diadems; and he hath a name written which no one knoweth but he himself. 13 And he `is' arrayed in a garment sprinkled with blood: and his name is called The Word of God. 14 And the armies which are in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white `and' pure. 15 And out of his mouth proceedeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness of the wrath of God, the Almighty. 16 And he hath on his garment and on his thigh a name written, KINGS OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS." (ASV).
This, of course, would mean a period of great distress for them, which would logically be included in the 'time of distress' that would be concomitant with Michael's standing up as recorded at Daniel 12:1. Since the Son of God is to fight all the nations, it would only be reasonable that he was the one with his angels mentioned earlier that would lead the battle against the dragon, Satan the Devil, and his demon angels.
CONCLUSION:
Since in his prehuman existence as the Word or spokesman of God (YHWH) and being of the same substance and divine as is God (YHWH) per, "When all things began, the Word already was. The word dwelt with God, and what God was, the Word was." (NEB) or as rendered slightly differently by J. P Goodspeed in his translation, "....and the Word was divine" (The Bible: An American Translation, by J.M.P. Smith and E.J. Goodspeed). Thus as indicated, he may be the same as Michael; however, he retained the name Jesus (Yeshua) after his resurrection as shown at Acts 9:5, "He asked, 'Who are you, sir?' And He said, 'I am Jesus whom you are persecuting.'" (The New Testament by Charles B. Williams); thus, the 'Word' or 'Logos' which is Jesus (Yeshua) shows that he is identical with the Son of God on earth. And at Revelation 19:13, previously quoted, is called, "The Word of God." Which ties him in with his prehuman existence. Notably, the very name Michael, asking as it does, 'Who Is Like God?' points to the fact that Almighty God (YHWH) is without equal or like, and that Michael, his archangel, is his great Master Worker or Champion that carries out all assignments given to him by God (YHWH).
That he is God's (YHWH's) Master Worker is made clear at Proverbs 8:21-31 as follows, ""Jehovah possessed me in the beginning of his way, Before his works of old. 23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, Before the earth was. 24 When there were no depths, I was brought forth, When there were no fountains abounding with water. 25 Before the mountains were settled, Before the hills was I brought forth; 26 While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, Nor the beginning of the dust of the world. 27 When he established the heavens, I was there: When he set a circle upon the face of the deep, 28 When he made firm the skies above, When the fountains of the deep became strong, 29 When he gave to the sea its bounds, That the waters should not transgress his commandments, When he marked out the foundations of the earth; 30 Then I was by him, as a master workman; And I was daily his delight, Rejoicing always before him." (ASV); And this existence before the earth was is affirmed at John 8:58, "Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was born, I am." (ASV); Thus as Colossians 1:17 says, ""and he is before all things, and in him all things consist." (ASV); And at Revelation 3:14, previously quoted, Jesus (Yeshua) is once more shown as the first of creation. Clearly, then, he, Jesus (Yeshua) is neither the same individual and/or manifestation of the same individual; Nor co-eternal, nor co-equal with his Father (YHWH). And as indicated in the scriptures quite likely Michael the archangel.
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